Lots of the slave children didn't ever learn to read or write. Discover the family tree of Joseph Vann for free, and learn about their family history and their ancestry. This was before the war. "We'd say "Come on buffalo", and it would come to us. 1770, and died Aft. Joe had two wives, one was named Missus Jennie. Old Master Joe had a big steam boat he called the Lucy Walker, and he run it up and down the Arkansas and the Mississippi and the Ohio river, old Mistress say. ... James Vann, Chief †1809; Nancy Ann Timberlake Brown 1780-1850 Spouses and children. My mother saw it but the colored chillun' couldn't. But we couldn't learn to read or have a book, and the Cherokee folks was afraid to tell us about the letters because they have a law you go to jail and a big fine if you show a slave about the letters. He tell us for we start, what we must say and what to do. They tell us what was happening and what to do. aged 83 years old. Page 16 - Research Vann in the Surnames forums on Genealogy.com, the new GenForum! All my children was from the first marriage: Thomas, Dora, Charley, Marie, Opal, William, Arthur, Margaret, Thadral and Hubbard. He died in the year 1752 in Chowan, North Carolina, Verenigde Staten. Yes, Lord Yes. wives of chief james vann By jerry l. clark November 28, 2001 at 10:04:49. I spent happy days on the Harnage plantation going squirrel hunting with the master---he was always riding, while I run along and throw rocks in the trees to scare the squirrels so's Marse John could get the aim on them; pick a little cotton and put it in somebody's hamper (basket) and run races with other colored boys to see who would get to saddle the masters horse, while the master would stand laughing by the gate to see which boy won the race. Jane Vann. After the war I married Paul Alexander, but I never took his name. Cal Robertson was eighty-nine years old when I married him forty years age, right on this porch. If your web browser does not print the date on the bottom, remember to record it manually. I would stay around about a week and help em and dey would try to git me to take something but I never would. Joseph Edward Vann was born on month day 1883, at birth place, Tennessee, to George Vann and Rebecca Vann (born Young). When anybody die, someone sit up with them day and night till they put them in the ground. By 1800 slavery had become firmly entrenched in the Five Civilized Tribes. Yes Sa. Then up come de man from Texas with de hounds and wid him was young Mr. Joe Vann and my uncle that belong to young Joe. Mistress try to get de man to tell her who de negro belong to so she can buy him, but de man say he can't sell him and he take him on back to Texas wid a chain around his two ankles. Perdue, Theda, "The Conflict Within: The Cherokee Power Structure and Removal," Georgia Historical Quarterly, 73 (Fall, 1989), pp. Is this your ancestor? Compare DNA and explore genealogy for Joseph Vann born abt. She was weavin when the case came up so quick, missus Jennie put her in her own bed and took care of her. Rich Joe Vann died in Oct. 1844 when the boiler exploded on his steamboat, the "Lucy Walker" during a race with another vessel near New Albany, Ind. Mr. Reese had a big flock of peafowls dat had belonged to Mr. Scott and I had to take care of demWhitefolks. Everybody went---white folks, colored folks. … James Vann (c. 1762–64 – February 19, 1809) was an influential Cherokee leader, one of the triumvirate with Major Ridge and Charles R. Hicks, who led the Upper Towns of East Tennessee and North Georgia.He was the son of Wah-Li Vann (a mixed-race Cherokee woman), and Indian trader Joseph John Vann. In the summer I wear them on Sunday, too. They wanted everybody to know we was Marster Vann's slaves. Someone maybe would be playing a fiddle or a banjo. Mammy got a wagon and we traveled around a few days to go to Fort Gibson. He courted a girl named Sally. Everybody laugh and was happy. My missus name was Doublehead before she married Jim Vann. Nails cost big money and Old Master's blacksmith wouldn't make none 'ceptin a few for old Master now an den so we used wooden dowels to put things together. Dey would come up in a bunch of about nine men on horses and look at all our passes, and if a negro didn't have no pass dey wore him out good and made him go home. Another oral history interview of a former slave of the Vann's: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/black-genealogy/slave-narrative-of-betty-robertson.htm. Joseph Vann inherited his father's house and land, and although he was a successful businessman like his father, he was not immune to the discrimination that Cherokees faced. Marster had a big Christmas tree, oh great big tree, put on the porch. James Vann had several other wives and children. Everybody had plenty to eat and plenty to throw away. Joseph David Joe was born in 1763. I go to this house, you come to my house. We didn't suffer, we had plenty to eat. My father was a carpenter and blacksmith as well as race-horse man and he wanted to make money. Every dollar she make on the track, I give it to Lucy." Get started Geni World Family Tree. Isaac had been Young Joe's driver and he told me all about how rich Master Joe was and how he would look after us negroes. Female. Your name. I was afraid I would get cheated out of it cause I can't figure and read, so I tell old Master about it and he bought it off'n me. But there is postlude to James VANNs death and burial. John Joseph Vann was born in 1735, at birth place, South Carolina, to Cheakoneska Otterlifter John Trader Otterlifter and Raven Ani Gatagewi Otterlifter (born Dougherty). They'd sell 'em to folks at picnics and barbecues. They got on the horses behind the men and went off. Yes, my dear Lord yes. Some had been in a big run-away and had been brung back, and wasn't so good, so he keep them on the boat all the time mostly. Everybody laugh and was happy. of Joseph W. Vann and Lucy Ann Jones. They rendezvoused with other slaves who had agreed to participate in the revolt, stole horses to ride to their freedom, then broke into a store to steal guns, ammunition, food, and supplies they needed for their planned escape to Mexico–where slavery was illegal. Explore genealogy for Sarah (Oocaneechi Cornstalk) Vann born abt. After the old time rich folks die, them that had their money buried, they com back and haunt the places where it is. Brown sugar, molasses, flour, corn-meal, dried beans, peas, fruits butter lard, was all kept in big wooden hogsheads; look something like a tub. His britches was all muddy and tore where de hounds had cut him up in de legs when he clumb a tree in de bottoms. John was born circa 1690, in Bertie, North Carolina, United States. The people conducting the interviews from 1936-1938 were instructed to write the material gleaned from the interviews as closely as possible to the speech patterns of the former slaves they interviewed. We never had no church in slavery, and no schooling, and you had better not be caught wid a book in your hand even, so I never did go to church hardly any. Marster Jim and Missus Jennie wouoldn't let his house slaves to with no common dress out. We had seven horses and a litle buffalo we'd raised from when its little. Soon as you come out of the water you go over there and change clothes. Sometimes we got to ride on one, cause we belonged to Old Jim Vann. People Projects Discussions Surnames She had belonged to Joe Hildebrand and he was kin to old Steve Hildebrand dat owned de mill on Flint Creek up in de Going Snake District. Didn't you never see one of them slidin' beds? Although he was born after slavery had ended, Nave's remembrances of what his father had told him about slavery days include some interesting details. [Note from curator: these slave narratives are not under copyright]. Its got a buckeye and a lead bullet in it. I'm glad the War's over and I am free to meet God like anybody else, and my grandchildren can learn to read and write. Lord, Yes! He used to take us to where Hyge Park is and we'd all go fishin'. login . That house was on the place my papa said he bought from Billy Jones in 1895. I'm gonna give Lucy this black mare. Sometimes just white folks danced; sometimes just the black folks. That was sort of vault, where the family valuables was kept. When the war broke out, lots of Indians mustered up and went out of the territory. Some niggers say my pappy kept hollering, “Rum it to the bank! Joseph Vann (1810 - 1880) Joseph (W) Vann. She dye with copperas and walnut and wild indigo and things like dat and made pretty cloth. Year: 1850; Census Place: Woods, Sumter,Alabama;Roll: M432_15; Page: 338B; Image: . Chief James Clement Vann married Mary Margaret "Peggy" Scott and had 14 children. Dat was de time dat was the hardest and everything was dark and confusion. He used to take us to where Hyde Park is and we'd all go fishin'. That was where all the food was kept. Some 70 years after "the War," during America's Great Depression, the Works Progress Administration assigned numerous people to interview former slaves and record their recollections of slavery. Welcome to the There was big parties and dances. He got that message to the captain just the same. The fugitive slaves killed the two bounty hunters and the slaves they had been returning joined those attempting to reach Mexico. Had sacks and sacks of money. And dishes, they had rows and rows of china dishes; big blue platters that would hold a whole turkey. U S General Land Office Records. It was bad, oh it was bad. I go to this house, you come to my house. Den old Master get three wagons and ox teams and take us all way down on Red River in de Choctaw Nation. We got letters all the time form Indians back in the territory. Surname Finder, The Vann Genealogy and Family Tree Page [on-line resource], New Providence, NJ, USA: Genealogy Today LLC, 2020. She done his washing and knew the cuff of his sleeve. This spot is about 42 miles SE of Spring Place. After it was wove they dyed it all colors, blue, brown, purple, red, yellow. In 1842, 35 slaves of Joseph Vann, Lewis Ross, and other wealthy Cherokees at Webbers Falls, fled in a futile attempt to escape to Mexico, but were quickly recaptured by a Cherokee possee. Joseph H. Vann, (11 February 1798 – 23 October 1844). I don't remember old Mistress name. relatives of chief james vann By jerry l. clark December 12, 2001 at 10:21:03. In Georgia, during the early 1800s, slaves owned by the Vann Family made the bricks and milled the lumber used to build the Vann House in Spring Place. Clement Vann. Of course, all slaves were officially freed during the Civil War. Missus Jenni lived in a big house in Webbers Falls. In the master's yard was the slave cabin, one room long, dirt floor, no windows. They'd clap their hands and holler. The 1860 Census records for Oklahoma (the last Census of the slavery era), indicates that the Cherokees held 4,600 Negro slaves; the Chickasaws owned 975; the Choctaws owned, 2,344; the Creeks held 1,532; and the Seminoles reportedly owned 500. Don't know much about him. His son, Rich Joe VANN's second wife, was named Polly BLACKBURN and this cemetery might be her familys burial ground. Barbara Pommer 11/29/01. But we couldn’t learn to read or have a book, and the Cherokee folks was afraid to tell us about the letters and figgers because they have a law you go to jail and a big fine if you show a slave about the letters. Coming out of the army for the last time, Pappa took all the family and moved to Fort Scott, Kansas, but I guess he feel more at home wid the Indians for pretty soon we all move back, this time to a farm near Fort Gibson. The engineer's name was Jim Vann. Snow on the ground and the water was muddy and all full of pieces of ice. There was five hundred slaves on that plantation and nobdy ever lacked for nothing. They brought it home and my granmother knew it was Joe's. Correction Note: The preceding comments by the interviewer incorrectly depicts the relationship between the family members. Vann Family Photos Discover Vann family photos shared by the community. He was married, but that din't make no difference he courted her anyhow. Seem like it take a powerful lot of fighting to rid the country of them Rebs. 1821 - 1881 . I'se born across the river in the plantation of old Jim Vann in Webbers Falls. She was raised up at dat mill, but she was borned in Tennessee before dey come out to de nation. Chief James Clement Vann, Chief. Master Jim and Missus Jennie was good to their slaves. He sold one of my brothers, and one sister because they kept running off. After de War was over, Old Master tell me I am free but he will look out after me cause I am just a little negro and I ain't got no sense. They get something they need too. The colored folks did most of the fiddlin'. Everybody cry, everybody'd pretty nearly die. A whole half of ribs sold for twenty-five cents. I know he is right, too. Compare DNA and explore genealogy for Avery Vann born 1780 including parents + DNA connections + more in the free family tree community. Re: need info on william vann son of Edward Ned Vann sr and Mary Barnes . When dat Civil War come along I was a pretty big boy and I remember it good as anybody. Pappy was the shoe-maker and he used wooden pegs of maple to fashion the shoes. My mother died when I'se small and my father married Delia Vann. Lots of bad things have come to me, but the good Father, high up, He take care of me. Discover the family tree of William Vann Jr. for free, and learn about their family history and their ancestry. Some had been in a big run-away and had been brung back, and wasn’t so good, so he keep them on the boat all the time mostly. They make pens out in the shallow water with poles every little ways from the river banks. Joseph Vann, son of Chief Joseph Vann and his wife Margaret Scott Vann, married first, Jennie Springton, born December 23, 1804, died August 4, 1863. He passed away on 21 Feb 1809 in Shot at Buffington Tavern, GA, USA. Old Master had some kind of business in Fort Smith, I think cause he used to ride into dat town about every day on his horse. Although Joseph Vann's body was never found, slave Lucinda Vann revealed that one of his arms had been found, positively identified, and taken to Vann's home at Webbers Falls, Oklahoma, where it was preserved for many years. We take a big pot to fry fish in and we'd all eat till we nearly bust. dwight vann 5/18/12. Sometimes there was high waters that spoiled the current and the steamboast could't run. In winter white folks danced in the parlor of the big house; in summer they danced on a platform under a great big brush arbor. One day young Master come to the cabins and say we all free and can’t stay there less’n we want to go on working for him just like we’d been, for our feed and clothes. A few years of her life were also quite possibly spent among Seminoles during part of that time, although her memory of the death of Joseph "Rich Joe" Vann is clearly a part of Cherokee history. He say he wanted to git de family all together agin. My pappy run away one time, four or five years before I was born, mammy tell me, and at that time a whole lot of Cherokee slaves run off at once. I'd like to go where we used to have picnics down below Webbers Falls. They put white cloths on the shelves and laid the good on it. Joseph Vann (1909 - 1963) Biography Family Tree Photos Comments Obituary Followers Joseph Vann. In de second year of de War he sold my mammy and my aunt dat was Uncle Joe's wife and my two brothers and my little sister. Indians wouldn't allow their slaves to take their husband's name. Young Master Vann never very hard on us and he never whupped us, and old Mistress was a widow woman and a good Christian and always kind. Malone, Henry Thompson, Cherokees of the Old South: A People in Transition, University of Georgia Press, (1956), ISBN 0670034207. Come along and visit Chief Vann's House in Chatsworth, GA! Marster and missus never allowed chillun to meddle in the big folks business. George was born in 1848, in overton, TN. If someone they didn't want to have it try to dig it up, money sink down, down deep in the ground where they couldn't get it. Mammy had the wagon and two oxen, and we worked a good size patch there until she died, and then I git married to Cal Robertson to have somebody to take care of me. Sometimes they fish in the Illinois river, sometimes in the Grand, but they always fish the same way. When "Rich Joe" Vann was 20 years old President James Monroe paid him a visit in 1819. The most Vann families were found in the USA in 1880. When they gave a party in the big house, everything was fine. I went to see dem lots of times and they was always glad to see me. After we got our presents we go way anywhere and visit colored folks on other plantation. One time old Master and another man come and took some calves off and Pappy say old Master taking dem off to sell I didn't know what sell meant and I ast Pappy is he going to bring em back when he git through selling them. *Andrew Bell Cunningham, Chief for 17 days: Nov. 8-25, 1919; Edward M. Fry, Chief for 1 day: June 23, 1923; *Richard B. Choate, Chief for 1 day, 1925; *Charles J. Raven was born in 1726, in Cherokee, Alabama, United States. We had a good song I remember. Major children and living persons must directly contact the, Relationship with John Jones (Sosa/Ahnentafel #1), Birth - Edgefield District, South Carolina Territory, Sources: 1850 United States Federal Census - Ancestry.com - Name: Name: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT,USA; Date:2009;;; - - Database online. I had me a good blaze-faced horse for dat. 5. The Cherokees living in the southeastern United States copied many of the traditions and practices of their white neighbors–including the ownership of fellow humans as slaves. Now I'se just old forgotten woman. Age. Everybody had a good time. They got over in the Creek country and stood off the Cherokee officers that went to git them, but pretty soon they give up and come home. Some officers stayed in de house for a while and tore everything up or took it off. He born at Spring Place, Georgia on February 11, 1798. Women came in satin dresses, all dressd up, big combs in their hair, lots of rings and bracelets. Joseph had 6 siblings: Adam Radford Vann, James William Vann and 4 other siblings. I had a brother named Harry who belonged to the Vann family at Tahlequah. Upon being brought to Fort Gibson, five slaves were held to stand trial for murdering the two bounty hunters. When "Rich Joe" Vann was 20 years old President James Monroe paid him a visit in 1819. I been a good Christian ever since I was baptized, but I keep a little charm here on my neck anyways to keep me from having the nose bleed. Joseph David Joe Vann. After the Removal, Joseph Vann was chosen the first Assistant Chief of the united Cherokee Nation under the new 1839 Constitution that was created in Indian Territory (Oklahoma), serving with Principal Chief John Ross. After everything quiet down and everything was just right, we come back to territory second time. Poor old master and mistress only lived a few years after de War. Elizabeth (Go-sa-du-i-sga) Thornton 1772 - 1825. Is this your ancestor? Seneca Chism was my father. She won me lots of money, Black Hock did, and I kept it in the Savings Bank in Tahlequah. One day Missus Jennie say to Marster Jim, she says, "Mr. Vann, you come here. Joseph H. Vann 1 st Books Library, 2001 ISBN: 0-75965-139-6 Soft Cover: $18.50 Hardcover: $23.95 Electronic Book, Size: 4579K: $5.95. Someone rattled the bones. McLoughlin, William, Cherokee Renascence in the New Republic, Princeton University Press, (1986), ISBN 0691047413. Today is 20/Jul/2020. I been a good Christian ever since I was baptised, but I keep a little charm here on my neck anyways, to keep me from having the nose bleed. In the morning we got up early, made a fire, and made a big pot of coffee. People all a visitin'. c. 1965 - Unknown . This was about 22% of all the recorded Vann's in the USA. My mother was seamstress. Had sacks and sacks of money. Young Master never whip his slaves, but if they don’t mind good he sell them off sometimes. I would have to go tromp seven miles to Mr. Scott's house two or three times a week to bring back some old peafowl dat had got out and gone back to de old place! Joseph Vann removed to the West in 1836. He was a slave on the Chism plantation, but came to Vann's all the time on account of the horses. Home > User Trees > James-R-Hicks-VA. Genealogy Report: Descendants of John Vann I [ Home Page | First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page] Descendants of John Vann I 16.JENNIE 4 VANN (JOSEPH 3, EDWARD 2, JOHN 1) (Source: Emmet Starr, E Starr, 454.) Joseph Vann inherited the "Diamond Hill" estate from his father and from him he also inherited the ability for trading by which he increased his fortune to a fabulous size. All the slaves lived in a log house. A four mule team was hitched to the wagon and for five weeks we was on the road from Texas finally getting to grandma Brewer's at Fort Gibson. Joseph Vann ca 1692-1752; Sarah Vann ca 1693-ca 1760; Ann Vann ca 1696-1785; William Vann ; Edward Sr Vann ca 1693-1752; Ezekial Vann 1700-John Vann 1700-1770; Mary Cherokee Vann ca 1700-ca 1770; Elizabeth Vann ca 1706-1790 Paternal grand-parents, uncles and aunts. My aunt done de carding and spinning and my mammy done de weaving and cutting and sewing , and my pappy could make cowhide shoes wid wooden pegs. Of course I hear about Abraham Lincoln and he was a great man, but I was told mostly by my children when dey come home from school about him. Born 1780 [location unknown] Son. Dallas County, Sources: www.ancestry.com - - Public Member Trees - Ancestry.com - Name: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.;; - - Database online. He come from across the water when he was a little boy, and was grown when old Master Joseph Vann bought him, so he never did learn to talk much Cherokee. He took us back to Texas right down near where I was born at Bellview. William Vann. Chief Alex Joseph 1872 Chief Alex Joseph, born Circa 1872. One year later my sister Phyllis was born on the same place and we been together pretty much of the time ever since, and I reckon dere's only one thing that could separate us slave born children. There was seats all around for folks to watch them dance. The grandson reported that the Vann Family lived in that house until "the War," when some 3,000 federal troops descended upon Webbers Falls. One night a runaway negro come across form Texas and he had de blood hounds after him. The land was timbered and the oldest children clear the land, or start to do the work while Pappa go back to Tahlequah to get my sick mamma and the rest of the family. Parents. Joseph Vann is listed in the Cherokee census of 1835 as a resident of the Cherokee nation within the chartered limits of Hamilton County, Tennessee, his family consisting of fifteen persons. The big House was a double log wid a big hall and a stone chimney but no porches, wid two rooms at each end, one top side of de other. James Vann was a powerful chief in the Cherokee Nation and … Joseph, 11 years old, was in the room when his father, James, was murdered, in Buffington’s Tavern in 1809 near the site of the family-owned ferry. We had fine satin dresses, great big combs for our hair, great big gold locket, double earrings we never wore cotton except when we worked. When the white folks danced the slaves would all sit or stand around and watch. There was five hundred slaves on that plantation and nobody ever lacked for nothing. When they gave a party in the big house, everything was fine. A few days later they caught up with the slaves, still in Indian Territory. We even had brown sugar and cane molasses most of de time before de War, sometimes coffee, too. They spun the cottons and wool, weaved it and made cloth. Joseph VANN was born in the year 1691 in Nansemond Co., Va, son of William Vann and Sarah Vann. In summer when it was hot, the slaves would sit in the shade evening's and make wooden spoons out of maple. When meal time come, someone ring that bell and all the slaves know its time to eat and stop their work. Mammy died in Texas, and when we left Rusk County after the Civil War, pappy took us children to the graveyard. He was married in the year 1709 in Chowan, North Carolina, Verenigde Staten to Mary Lewis. There wasn't nothing left. Different friends would come and they'd show that arm. Chief Joseph Vann - Alabama area. In the years following his father's death, Joseph added to this estate. He builds the large brick mansion house at Spring Place, Murray Country, Georgia, which stands today as a monument at its owner. Used to go up and down the river in his steamboat. Because I'se so little, Missus Jennie took me into the Big house and raised me. He wouldn' take us way off, but just for a ride. They taken some of their slaves with them. When the Vanns were forced from their Spring Place home in 1834, they took many slaves with them when they fled to safety in Tennessee. Old colored preacher named Tom Vann Lee, but I never would chitlings and always. 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